1John D. Gallup, Genealogy of the Gallup Peoples - Ed. 1893, Gallup Family Association, Inc.
1John D. Gallup, Genealogy of the Gallup Peoples - Ed. 1893, Gallup Family Association, Inc.
2Darwin C. Gallup & Josephine Middleton Peck, Gallup Genealogy - Ed. 1966, Gallup Family Association, Inc.
1Shanna S. Jones, Genealogical Notes of Shanna Jones (Private genealogy).
1John D. Gallup, Genealogy of the Gallup Peoples - Ed. 1893, Gallup Family Association, Inc.
Provides names only, no dates.
1Shanna S. Jones, Genealogical Notes of Shanna Jones (Private genealogy).
Gives spelling variations.
1John D. Gallup, Genealogy of the Gallup Peoples - Ed. 1893, Gallup Family Association, Inc.
1Howard Swain, Howard Swain Letter (GALLUP-L[sym]rootsweb.com).
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The Ancestry of Hannah Lake Gallup
From: hswain[sym]ix.netcom.com (Howard Swain)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:02:04 -0500
Subject: [GALLUP] The Ancestry of Hannah Lake who marr. John Gallop [Jr.]
To: GALLUP-L[sym]rootsweb.com Hi all,
Even before the latest flurry of messages re. Hannah, I had been looking into her ancestry. I started with Walter G. Davis, "Ancestry of John Lake, Husband of Margaret (Reade) Lake," NEHGR; vol 84, no 3 (Jul 1930) pp 304 to 317. This traces her Lake ancestry. I, then found her Reade ancestors in Isaac Appleton, _Ancestry of Priscilla Baker_, 1870; pp. 103-124. Lastly, I really hit paydirt with Walter G. Davis, _The Ancestry of Bethia Harris..._; 1934. This traces all the ancestral lines of Hannah including Lake, Sandell, Reade, Church, and Cooke. All of the above make extensive use of parish registers and wills to establish the various people and their connections. Both of the Davis works trace Hannah's Lake line back to a Richard Lake who was buried 24 Sep 1599 in North Benfleet, Essex, England. Mr. Davis was not able to find the wife or either parent of Richard, even though he traced the other lines one or two generations farther back. I wondered if anyone had been able to push the Lake line farther back in the ensuing 70 years, so I checked NEHGR and PERSI. I was unsuccessful in finding any further information, so I did a Google search on the Web. I found many sites that claimed a line farther back from Richard. However, I now believe all the ones I found are incorrect. After showing the line proved by Mr. Davis, I will then describe the most common errors and show why I think those lines are not true. HANNAH LAKE'S DESCENT FROM RICHARD LAKE:
First I will show the line of descent from Richard to Hannah using information in the aforementioned Lake article. The items in square brackets [ ] are my own estimates and comments. Successive generations are indented: Richard Lake b. [say 1537 -- makes him 25 at marr.; 62 at death]
m. [say 1562 -- 1st ch., John, b. abt. 1565; his next older sibling marr. 1559]
bur. 24 Sep 1599 at North Benfleet, Essex
John Lake b. abt. 1565 -- [makes him 24 at marr.; 40 at birth of last child]
m. [abt. 1589] Elizabeth Sandell
[first ch. b. 1590; he is not mentioned in the 1588 will of Elizabeth's father who refers to
his daughter as Elizabeth Sandel]
John Lake bp. 26 Sep 1590 at North Benfleet, Essex
m. abt. 1616 Margaret Reade
[first ch. b. 1617; makes him 26 at marr. and her 18]
John Lake bp. 6 Jul 1617 at Wickford
Hannah Lake bp. 3 Jul 1621 at North Benfleet THE LAKES OF IRBY, LINCOLNSHIRE: My guess is that the erroneous lines got their start from a short article in the NEHGR in April 1859 (vol 13, pp 115-116). A short letter that mentioned some of our Lakes and some Lake and Reade relatives was presented. The author "surmises" that "aunt Lake" in the letter was Margaret Reade, the dau. of Edward Reade of
Wickford, Essex. This is true, I think, (except it was _Edmund_ Reade). (Wickford is about 2 km from North Benfleet.)
He then presents two generations of a Lake family from Irby in Lincolnshire about 140 miles away and wonders whether Mrs. Margaret [Reade] Lake could be the widow of that John Lake. I will shortly
show that this could not be but first I will note that someone submitted a line of descent
to Charles Browning's Americans of Royal Descent, 2nd ed., 1891, that asserted the above question as fact. This erroneous line was unfortunately later listed by Josephine Frost in 1924 in her book, Ancestors of Jerry Crary ..., citing Browning. Here is the family that was presented in the April 1859 NEHGR. It was said there to be a branch of the Lakes of Normanton [in Yorkshire] -- something I've been neither able to confirm or refute. Richard Lake [b. say 1570 -- makes him 26 at first marr.] m/1 [abt. 1596] Anne Wardell dau. of Edward Wardell of Keelby, Lincolnshire.
Sir Edward Lake [b. abt 1597 - 1600] bur. 20 Apr 1674 aged 77. m/2 [abt. 1614] Anne Morrelly daughter
of Edward Morraly of Claxby, Lincolnshire
Thomas Lake [b. abt. 1615] 1st son. d. 16 Aug 1676 aged 61
John Lake [b. abt. 1617] 2nd son.
[Note, Swain calls Thomas and John "1st and 2nd sons" because they and Sir Edward were given separately in different references.] Comments:
In addition to the NEHGR article, I have used: "Lincolnshire Pedigrees" by Arthur S. Larken, ed. by A. R. Maddison; Publications of the Harleian Society, 1903, vol 51, p. 577 (which uses the Visitation of 1666); and "Visitations of the County of Lincoln" made by Sir Edwarde Bysshe ... in 1666, ed. by Everard Green; Publications of the Lincoln Record Society, 1917, vol 8, p. 35. Sir Edward Lake's age at death was from Larken. This would yield a birth in 1597. In the Bysshe visitation of 1666, Sir Edward Lake was said to be 66 that year. So, that would say b. 1600. I've estimated that Richard Lake and Ann Wardell married one year before their son Sir Edward was born. Thomas Lake's death information above is from the April 1859 NEHGR article. This is also reported in "Epitaphs from the Burying-Ground on Copp's Hill, Boston" in NEHGR vol 3 (Oct 1849), p. 344, which says: "Capt. Thomas Lake, aged 61 years...slain by the Indians at Kennibeck Aug. 14, 1676..." Despite the 2 day difference in death date, both would imply a birth in 1615.
And since John Lake was the 2nd son, he would be born after that -- say in 1617. Irby, Keelby and Claxby are all small towns near Grimsby in Lincolnshire. THE FIRST ERROR
Now we have the facts to disprove the first error, namely that the John Lake who married Margaret Reade was the same as the John Lake who was the son of Richard Lake and Anne Morrelly. The reason this cannot be is that John Lake, son of Richard and Anne Morrelly was born about 1617 while our John Lake who married
Margaret Reade was meanwhile baptising his son John in 1617. So, they clearly cannot be the same person. Mr. Davis makes much the same arguement in his 1930 article. Perhaps it had some effect, because most recent descent charts seem not to be making this error. Of course, we also now know that the John Lake who married Margaret Reade was the son of John Lake and Elizabeth Sandell, as shown by Mr. Davis. THE SECOND ERROR
However, people continued to try to tie the Lakes of south Essex to the Lakes of northeast Lincolnshire. The second error is to say that our Richard Lake who was buried 24 Sep 1599 at North Benfleet, Essex (and whose wife was not found by Mr. Davis) was the Richard Lake who married Anne Wardell. The dates usually used for Richard's birth and marriage in this connection are those consistent with _our_ Richard and not with the one who
actually married Anne Wardell. This connection does not work for several reasons: 1) Location. Our Richard Lake lived in Essex, while the one who married Anne Wardell lived in Irby, Lincolnshire.
2) Dates. Our Richard died in 1599, while the one who m/1 Anne Wardell married second Anne Morrelly and had a son with her in 1615. Also, our Richard had a son, John, born about 1565 -- which is probably about the date the Richard who married the Anne was born. In short, our Richard is about one generation older than Richard Lake of Irby who married Anne Wardell and Anne Morrelly.
3) Records. Richard Lake of Irby and Anne Wardell are not shown in any source I've seen to have had a son, John. THIRD ERROR: THE MYSTERIOUS (to me) ELIZABETH LONE
In looking at websites, I kept seeing the Richard Lake who married Anne Wardell (incorrectly shown as our Richard who died in 1599) being alleged as the son of a John Lake (b. 1511 in Irby, Lincolnshire) and Elizabeth Lone b.1515, 140 miles away in North Benfleet, Essex, and marr. abt. 1532. I looked in 8 books in which were published visitations and pedigrees of Yorkshire and Lincolnshire looking for Elizabeth Lone and could not find her. The Richard Lake of Irby who did marry Anne Wardell
is usually shown in them as the son of John Lake of Irby and _______ Osgodby. Finally, yesterday, I found Elizabeth Lone in the NEHGR article by Davis. She did marry a John Lake but at Runwell, Essex, on
3 Feb 1588/9 and not the John Lake of Irby. It turns out this John Lake is the older brother of our Richard Lake.
Mr. Davis was not able to find the father of our Richard, this older brother John, and their other siblings. He was able by the use of wills, however, to establish they were all siblings. So, he shows the family something like this:
1. _______ Lake
i. John m. Elizabeth Lone
<----------page break
2. ii. Richard (ours)
iii. Robert
iv. William
etc.
2. Richard Lake (ours)
3. i. John m. Elizabeth Sandell
etc.
There is a page break between John who married Elizabeth Lone and our Richard. It appears to me that someone may have gotten confused and thought John and Elizabeth Lone were parents of Richard. Plus the two Richards (of Essex and of Lincolnshire) have been confused and conflated. Of course this doesn't account for the marr. date of 1532 assigned to John and Elizabeth. Or the confusion of John of Essex Co. with John of Irby. But, I think I've located the Elizabeth Lone strangely shown on web pages. And can now conclude that she is not the mother of Richard who died in 1599 or of the Richard who married Anne Wardell. CONCLUSION
I hope this has been helpful to people and that they won't be too disappointed to find these particular links disproven. One lesson in all this is to be suspicious of descent charts with no or few dates and places. Dates and places do matter, and as we've seen they can be used to assess the validity of a line. Regards,
Howard
hswain[sym]ix.netcom.com.".
1(various contributing members), New England Historical and Genealogical Society Register (Published by the Society at 9 Ashburton Place, Boston), Vol. LXXXIV/Pages 304 - 317.
by Walter Goodwin Davis.2(various contributing members), New England Historical and Genealogical Society Register, Vol. LXXXIV/Pages 304 - 317, Jul 1930.
by Walter Goodwin Davis.3(various contributing members), New England Historical and Genealogical Society Register, 1930/LXXXIV/304-317, Jul 1930.